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This is from the Bookshare Blog, so it reflects a specific subsection of readers with visual and print disabilities, but my advice is to support that the trend toward using mainstream tech and avoiding assistive tech as much as possible.
http://bookshareblog.wpengine.com/2019/03/apps-bookshare-members-use/

Date: 2019-04-04 04:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] duskpeterson
Are there any particular reasons you advise avoiding assistive tech? Is it for cost reasons, or do you see something wrong with the assistive tech industry?

Date: 2019-04-04 06:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] duskpeterson

This sounds absolutely horrible! I'm so sorry you've been going through this.

I've never been able to afford assistive tech hardware, and don't get me started on state organizations' paternalistic attitude toward blind folks needing assistive technology, because my rant would be longer than yours. :) I'm mainly angry at the high prices for assistive tech hardware. I can't believe that, in the year 2019, we still don't have inexpensive braille displays.

As far as assistive tech software is concerned, I think we've advanced a lot in lower prices, though we still have a long way to go. I use the Voice Dream Reader app for reading through text-to-speech, and I use an ordinary e-reader app for reading in large font because, yay, Bookshare offers books in epub now.

But if I were still doing most of my reading in braille, my situation would be just as poor now as it was when I became partially sighted in 2001. And I'm frustrated by the fact that I can't access Open Library's enormous library for the print disabled, because the only assistive tech device that can be used with that library is way too expensive for me.

Date: 2019-04-04 09:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] duskpeterson

You want to see me truly furious? I'm furious that kids like you were denied the ability to learn braille in school.

How long have you been blind, may I ask? Did it just take a while for people to figure out?

I was really lucky at the time I became partially sighted, virtually overnight; my best friend was blind. Like you, she was denied the opportunity to learn braille, but she was an accessibility consultant, so she had tons of resources on hand. When I told her I wanted to learn braille, she brought me a braille alphabet card, a braille book, and an application to NLS. I taught myself the rules of braille through a website that provided a simple introduction to contracted braille; then I simply started reading a book I borrowed through NLS, looking up any contractions I couldn't remember as I read. It was tough to learn this way, because I quickly discovered that there was no such thing as a braille glossary that lists all the contractions in order, which would allow me to look up an unknown contraction whenever I encountered it in the braille book. So I had to create that glossary myself, using index cards and a slate and stylus. Once I had that glossary on hand, I was able to teach myself to read contracted braille in two weeks. I'm very much out of practice, though!

What I found frustrating back then was that there were all sorts of neat things in contracted braille that didn't exist in non-contracted writing, but nobody talked about them in the way that deaf people talk about the neat things you can do in American Sign Language. The blindness organizations were going on about how braille is important for literacy and obtaining jobs, which is all quite true, but I wanted to talk about blindness culture, and nobody I encountered was discussing that. Well, except for my friend, but we couldn't discuss braille, since she didn't know it.

You asked, "What format is Open Library using?"

DAISY is one of the formats it offers. Its DAISY files that are only available to print-disabled readers are protected with the NLS key and can only be read on Victor Reader Stream. Very frustrating. I wrote to them a couple of years ago about this, and they said that they're trying to come up with a solution to this problem, but they haven't yet.

A similar problem is that HathiTrust (https://www.hathitrust.org) has an enormous library of e-texts that were scanned from books in academic libraries, but the full texts of copyrighted books are currently only available to certain academic institutions and their members. Last I heard, HathiTrust was still trying to figure out a way to make their full texts available to print-disabled readers who don't belong to an academic institution.

Regarding reading programs, it's been a long time since I've used text-to-speech in Windows; I've found it so much easier to use text-to-speech on my iPod Touch. Back when I used Windows for audio, I was using the text-to-speech software TextAloud (http://nextup.com), but it wasn't designed for things like DAISY files. You might try starting with the Windows programs that Bookshare recommends, which you may have already browsed through:

https://www.bookshare.org/cms/reading-tool-wizard/windows-pc

Thanks for the book recommendation! I hadn't known that about paratransit. It reminds me of that trend a few years ago of creating accessible versions of websites that were a dumbed-down version of the full website.

Date: 2019-04-06 12:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] duskpeterson
Yeah, I chose not to jump through the hoops that the State of Maryland placed in front of blind folks who wanted to get a grant to buy assistive technology. They wanted me to get a blindness expert to assess which technology I needed. I was like, "What the heck? I'm a professional writer; I know exactly which equipment I need. Why should I get some so-called expert to say that I need a braille monitor in order to keep editing my writings?" And they wouldn't help me obtain assistive technology for my daily life, only assistive tech that would help me earn money. So I took myself out of the state-assistance system.

As it turned out, the doctors were able to improve my eyesight to the point where I didn't need expensive assistive tech in order to do my work. Well, except for a scanner and OCR program, but friends and family stepped in to supply me with that. At any rate, the state's paternalism left a bad taste in my mouth.

Your case sounds absolutely dreadful! I'm in awe of you for your courage in making it through all of that. I would have gone off and curled up in a corner to whimper for several years in the face of all that.

My situation was sort of the opposite of yours, because my vision loss occurred to me when I was well into adulthood. I always expected that the authorities would automatically step in and help me if I became blind; that's the way it always happened in the books I read as a kid about blind people. But nobody showed up at my doorway or gave me any assistance in navigating the system except my blind friend, bless her. Without her, I don't know what I would have done, because when the vision loss started, I couldn't read even large fonts with my eyes, and I had no assistive technology, so I had no access to the Internet or to any other information on what to do.

Date: 2019-04-06 10:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] duskpeterson

Ah, so I just wasn't blind enough to make the assistance alarm bells go off. To his credit, though, my ophthalmologist did certify me as visually impaired when I requested him to, so I was able to sign up for libraries for the blind.

I'm absolutely with you concerning books. I was a writer and insatiable reader, and suddenly I couldn't read books, except audio books, which I didn't much care for. I kept having dreams of going to bookstores or libraries and taking home books, and then I'd wake up and know that I couldn't read any of my thousands of books. I couldn't even read my own stories.

Braille and accessible tech made things so much better, but the first year was tough, because NLS didn't own most of my favorite books; apparently, fat fantasy novels weren't popular items for transcribing into braille or taping as talking books. Bookshare hadn't yet opened, and though my father passed on to me his scanner and OCR program, the scanner was slow and the OCR primitive. And of course there were very few e-books out there.

What saved me was finding fanfic and originalfic at the beginning of 2002. Suddenly I had a large body of fiction to read once more.

Date: 2019-04-08 01:38 am (UTC)
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Yes, I got an email from Voice Dream itself about their new scanner. It's very exciting news; I use Voice Dream's other apps daily.

Date: 2019-04-12 07:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] duskpeterson

Voice Dream Scanner is only available in iOS, I'm afraid. There are various free scanning and OCR programs for Windows; Microsoft has some built in. One website I found mentions a Microsoft program called Office Lens. It says, "Office Lens (Windows 10 and Office 365): Use document camera to capture image of printed page directly into Microsoft Word, OneNote, or OneDrive; then use Immersive Reader (part of Learning Tools) to read aloud."

End quote. However, if you find as you're developing your plans that you're drawn to iOS programs, you might consider getting an iPod Touch to supplement your new laptop. Like all Apple computers, the iPod Touch has a built-in screen reader. The iPod Touch doesn't last forever, because its battery can't be replaced, but the 32 gigabyte version only costs $200, which is cheap by Apple standards.

I would never give up my laptop; it's so useful for writing. But I find that mobile devices are a lot handier for e-reading, because one can carry mobile devices around the house and even outside the house. I do a lot of e-reading while I'm doing housework, or when I'm curled up in a papasan, or when I'm in bed while I'm sick. I couldn't easily do any of that if I only owned a laptop.

Date: 2019-04-14 08:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] duskpeterson

I'm so glad to hear that you're able to get both a laptop and an iPhone! I look forward to hearing how they go for you.

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