Question for language geeks
May. 27th, 2016 12:07 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
kestrellIs there a difference between a
contact language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_contact
and
Macaronic languge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaronic_language#History
?
Is it that a contact language is spoken and Macaronic language is more likely to refer to a written or sung creative work? (Except the Macaronic language entry refers tot he Sublime song, which I love.)To give this a more specific context, I'm thinking of Salvatore's speaking style in _The Name of the Rose_ and of the minions language in the movies, both of which I have read referred to by linguists as examples of contact languages.
contact language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_contact
and
Macaronic languge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaronic_language#History
?
Is it that a contact language is spoken and Macaronic language is more likely to refer to a written or sung creative work? (Except the Macaronic language entry refers tot he Sublime song, which I love.)To give this a more specific context, I'm thinking of Salvatore's speaking style in _The Name of the Rose_ and of the minions language in the movies, both of which I have read referred to by linguists as examples of contact languages.
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Date: 2016-05-28 07:08 pm (UTC)And, contra the title of the wikipedia page, I'd never heard the term "macaronic language" before; I've only heard "macaronic" as an adjective for describing works, not language, so "macaronic verse". I would have thought the page title should be something like "Macaronicism". ETA: I mean, I believe the article that there's such a thing as "Macaronic Latin", and I surmised correctly what was meant by it, but, boy, it's inconvenient they're using the term that way, when the Latin used in macaronic verse is not macaronic Latin.
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Date: 2016-05-29 11:34 am (UTC)It could be I have come across these terms more in reading Umberto Eco and other Italian authors, and academic articles on such authors.
The Language Log has a bunch of posts on Minionese, but here is one post I found particularly relevant to my readings of Italian authors. http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001974.html
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Is there a difference between a contact language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_contact and Macaronic languge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaronic_language#History ?
Is it that a contact language is spoken and Macaronic language is more likely to refer to a written or sung creative work? (Except the Macaronic language entry refers tot he Sublime song, which I love.)To give this a more specific context, I'm thinking of Salvatore's speaking style in The Name of the Rose and of the minions language in the movies, both of which I have read referred to by linguists as examples of contact languages.
The reply was:
I don't think there's such a thing as "a contact language"? According to the link you give, "language contact" is a thing - it's a linguistic phenomenon. But there's no language that is "a contact language".
And, contra the title of the wikipedia page, I'd never heard the term "macaronic language" before; I've only heard "macaronic" as an adjective for describing works, not language, so "macaronic verse". I would have thought the page title should be something like "Macaronicism".
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